The Elizabeth & Thomas Soap Opera

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BRAVO @katherineparrsociety!!

The “Elizabeth and Thomas” Soap Opera we dare not discuss. Did Parr try to protect Elizabeth? What did Kat Ashley mean when she confessed that the Dowager Queen held Elizabeth? We’ve discussed it so many times. And Parr’s name has been dragged through the gutter by so many. What really happened?

Elizabeth was welcomed into the household of the Dowager Queen in 1547 at Chelsea Manor. The Queen had remarried to Sir Thomas Seymour, now 1st Baron Seymour of Sudeley, months after King Henry died. Weep some more. Henry only gave her a few months to mourn Lord Latimer. She could do what she wanted at this point. She didn’t have to remarry. She could have retained her status at court, but chose to retire to Chelsea after they made it clear she was no longer needed.

In the 16th century—the age a girl could get married was 12.

In 1508, Lady Maud Parr married Sir Thomas who was about 30 yrs old.

Lady Elizabeth Parr, daughter to the Baron FitzHugh, niece of the Kingmaker, married before 14 to King Edward IV’s friend, Sir William Parr. This gave the Parrs royal blood. Elizabeth’s birthdate needs to be researched further.

The Duchess of Suffolk was married to 40 something, Charles Brandon, at 14.

Lady Margaret Beaufort, grandmother to Elizabeth, was only 12.

Lady Anne Vaux, the aunt of the Queen and older sister of Lady Maud Parr, married Sir Nicholas, Baron Vaux who was born around 1460. See above for Maud’s marriage date and age.

Marriage contracts were made as early as 2 yrs old.

It’s a Sign of the Times.

We have evolved. We live longer now. We know more about the human body and the human brain. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Child Marriage in Tudor Times

See also

Till death do us part? Divorce in medieval England|Claire Kennan|— National Archives (London)

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Lamentation of a Sinner Quote

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“I embraced ignorance as perfect knowledge; and knowledge seemed to me superfluous and vain. I had little regard for God’s Word, but gave myself to vanities and shadows of the world. I forsook Him, in whom is all truth, and followed the vain, foolish imaginations of my own heart. I covered my sins with the pretense of holiness. I called superstition, “godly meaning”, and true holiness, “error”.” — Kateryn Parr

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20 September: Queen Katherine Parr’s Letter in Latin to Princess Mary

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Written by Meg McGath

The official date of the letter is actually confusing. It was either written while Katherine Parr was Queen Regent in 1544 or as Dowager Queen in 1547.

The messenger mentioned in the letter is most likely Walter Erle, groom of the Queen’s privy chamber, who also served as her musician on the virginals, but possible Robert Cooch, steward of her wine cellar whose skill in music was commended by Parr’s chaplain, John Pankhurst.

Also mentioned in the letter is Francis Mallet who became chaplain to the Princess Mary in 1544 leaving the employment of Parr. (Wikipedia)

While the reasons are many, most notable and most beloved lady, that readily invite me at this time to writing, still nothing quite so much moves me as care for your health, which as I hope it is the best, so I very greatly desire to be made of certain of it. Wherefore, I send you this messenger who, I judge, will be very pleasing to you both because of his skill in music, in which, I am not unaware, you as well as I delight exceedingly, and also because he, having been in service to me, can report to you most certainty on my whole state and health. And truly, before this day it was in my mind to have made a journey to you and greeted you in person, but indeed not all things answer to my will: I hope now that, at a very early day this winter, you will be visiting us. Then which truly nothing will be a greater joy or a greater pleasure.

Since, however, as I have heard, the last touch has now been put by Mallet on Erasmus’s work On John (which he saw through translation), and nothing else now remain except some due attention and care to be applied in correcting it, I pray you to send to me this very fine and very useful work, now emended by Mallet or someone of yours, that it may be given to the press in its time. And further, that you signify whether you wish it to go out most happily into the light under your name, or whether rather by an unknown author. To which work really, in my opinion, you will be seen to do an injury, if you refuse the book to be transmitted to posterity on the authority of your name: for the most accurate translating of which you have undertaken so many labors for the highest good of the commonwealth; and more than these (as is well enough known) you would have undertaken, if the health of tour body had permitted. Since no one does not know the amount of sweat that you have laboriously put into this work, I do not see why you should reject the praise that all confer on you deservedly. However, I leave this whole matter to your prudence, so that whatever position you wish to take, I will esteem it most greatly to be approved.

As for the sum of money you sent to me as a gift, I thank you exceedingly. I pray the most good and most great God that He will think it fit to bless you perpetually with true and unblemished happiness: in whom, indeed, may you fare well a very long while. From Hanworth September 20.

You most devoted and most loving,
Katherine the Queen KP

Hanworth by David Bridges

Sources

Katherine Parr: Works and Correspondence by Katherine Parr, Janel Mueller (Google eBook preview)

© 2024 Meg McGath. All research and original commentary belong to the author.

18 September 1544: Proclamation of the Queen Regent

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During her regency in 1544, Queen Kateryn Parr issued five proclamations. The following was written on the 18th of September in 1544. The proclamation was made at the outbreak of plague to keep people who had been exposed away from the court at Oking (Woking) Palace in Surrey where she and the children of the King resided.

No. 19 The Queen Regent’s proclamation that no person exposed to the plague may come to court, September 18, 1544

[Headed] The 36th year of Henry VIII. 1544.

A proclamation that no person, in whose house the infection of the plague doth reign, shall repair to the court.

King Henry VIII to the mayor, alderman, and the citizens of London, greetings. We charge you that

Forasmuch as the Queen’s highness, General Regent of the realm in the King’s majesty’s absence, hath been incredibly informed that the infection of the plague reigneth in sundry parts within these the cities of London and Westmister, whereby great danger might ensure to her grace’s person, the Prince’s grace, and the other the King’s majesty’s children, in case any of the inhabitants of the said cities, who have had the infection in their houses, or have resorted to any infected persons, or dwell near any place where the infection is or lately hath been, should repair to court or permit any of those which attend in the court to enter their houses:

Her highness straitly chargeth and commandeth that no manner of person or persons, in whose houses the plague is or hath been, or have resorted to any other infected persons, or dwell near any place where the infection is or lately hath been, do from henceforth repair to the court, or do suffer any of the attendant of the said court to enter their houses where the infection hath been, upon pain of her grace’s indignation, and further punishment at her highness’s pleasure.

And of this, under the applicable legal penalty, let nothing to all be omitted. By Katherine, Queen of England, and its General Regent. From Oking, the eighteenth day of September, the thirty-sixth year of our reign.

Here is one of the documents found at the National Archives from 1547, after the death of Henry that was signed “Kateryn the quene Regente-KP”

Image credit: Elizabeth Norton

Source: Katherine Parr: Complete Works and Correspondence By Katherine Parr, Janel Mueller · 2011 (Google eBook)

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10 July 1553: Lady Jane Grey writes the Marquess of Northampton

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10 JULY 1553: LETTER written to Sir William Parr, 1st Marquess of Northampton, Earl of Essex, Baron Parr of Kendal from ”Jane, the Quene” ordering him to levy forces, 1553 (British Library) from Alamy

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A letter from Queen Jane to William Parr ordering him to levy forces, 1553 . folio.A Volume, containing Letters, &c. written by royal, noble, and eminent Persons of Great Britain, from the time of King Henry VI. to the reign of his present Majesty. These are originals, except where otherwise expressed. [1449]-1761. Source: Lansdowne 1236, f.24.

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Three degrees of separation: alternatives to divorce in early modern England

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Three degrees of separation: alternatives to divorce in early modern England

29 May [1575]: Lady Anne Talbot writes the Countess of Shrewsbury

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Lady Pembroke and her daughter, also named Anne (Lady Talbot). Wilton Church.

Written by Meg McGath

Lady Anne Herbert was the daughter of Sir William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke & his first wife, Anne Parr. As such, she was the niece of Queen Kateryn Parr. In 1563, at Baynard’s Castle, Lady Anne married Sir Francis, Lord Talbot (d.1582) in a double marriage between the two children of the 6th Earl of Shrewsbury and the two children of the 1st Earl of Pembroke. Lady Talbot’s brother, Henry, the future 2nd Earl of Pembroke, married Lady Catherine Talbot. Lord Talbot and Lady Catherine were child of Sir George Talbot, 6th Earl of Shrewsbury and his first wife, Lady Gertrude Manners, daughter of Sir Thomas Manner, 1st Earl of Rutland and his second wife, Eleanor Paston. In addition to the double marriage, Lord Talbot’s great-aunt, Lady Anne Talbot, had married secondly to Lady Anne Herbert’s father, the 1st Earl of Pembroke (d.1570) after the death of his first wife, Anne Parr, in 1552. This may have been the reason for the double marriage.

In her letter, Lady Talbot talks about how her sister, Lady Catherine, Countess of Pembroke, was frequently visited by Queen Elizabeth I at Baynard’s Castle. The Queen was fond of her. By 1575, Lady Catherine had become gravely ill and developed a fatal illness. The Queen even gave the Pembroke’s a ship to even travel to the continent in search of a cure. She returned to England without success by September 1575 and died on 24 April 1576. They had no issue.

Lady Anne Talbot writes to her husband’s stepmother, Bess of Hardwick, the Countess of Shrewsbury.

To the ryght honorable and my assured good lady, and mouther the Countes of Shrowsbery:

Good madam, acordynge to my dewty, I would haue wrytene oftener, yf I could haue learned, any newes worthey the wryrtynge, but my comeynge to the court, Is so selldome, as I knowe your Ladyshype, doth here from thensse, by othersse, a great dell more, then I can hereof, yet I truste your Ladyship wyll geue me leue, to remember my dewtye, In wrytynge, after my olde acoustemed manner. whych I wyll not slake god wyllynge, though my matter be never so small, yet my dewtyfull good wyll I hope your Ladyship wyll exepte, In as good part, as I meane yt, yf I could haue sent, any good newes of my syster of Penbrokes good delyuery, your Ladyship should haue hard of yt or nowe, but I fear yt wyll not fall out so well as I could wyshe yt had and for thys tyme, I humbly take my leue, besycheing, god to send your Ladyship your hartes desyre, From Eareth the xxjxth of Maye:

your Ladyship’s assured louyng daughter to comande:

Anne Talbott

Letter signed by Lady Talbott from letter dated 29 May [1575]. Courtesy of Bess of Hardwick Letters: The Complete Correspondence 1550-1608

Sources

From: Anne Talbot (Earith, Huntingtonshire);
To: Bess of Hardwick;
Date: 29 May [1575]
Summary: Anne Talbot (née Herbert) writes to Bess (countess of Shrewsbury) that she has
little news to report due to her infrequent visits to court. She promises to write ‘after my old
accustomed manner’ and expresses fears that ‘my sister of Pembroke’s good delivery [. . .] will
not fall out so well as I could wish’.
Archive: Folger Shakespeare Library, Cavendish-Talbot MSS, X.d.428 (122)
Delivery status: to Bess, sent
Letter features: Seal intact – no. Ribbon/floss – no. Letter packet – accordion
Hands: Anne Talbot | archivist |
Version: 1.0
Further information on copyright and citation can be found at:- (URL: http://
http://www.bessofhardwick.org/background.jsp?id=171) https://www.bessofhardwick.org/letter.jsp?letter=93

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Queen Katherine Parr: Not Important Enough?

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I love how much people dismiss Queen Kateryn Parr. There may be evidence that she WAS supposed to be Regent for Edward VI. See her signature AFTER Henry died.

Credit: Elizabeth Norton

She was apparently signing as “Kateryn, the quene regente KP”. The theory goes that she was indeed made Regent for her stepson, King Edward VI. Which would make sense with the use of her signature. It is believed that Edward Seymour, Duke of Somerset, Kateryn’s brother the Marquess of Northampton, her brother-in-law the Earl of Pembroke and the council ousted her and rewrote the will. She would have made a wonderful Queen Regent. She proved she was capable of being Regent while Henry went to war with France. Perhaps she would have lived longer and prevented the succession from being rewritten. She gets credit for the placement of Princesses Mary & Elizabeth back into the line of succession behind their brother in 1545. That succession act seems to have overwritten or they disregarded King Edward’s will and supported the actual heir to the throne, Mary. Mary WAS the rightful heir. Jane was further down the approved line of succession. Why would you accept someone below the status of the actual daughters of King Edward’s father, Henry VIII? Kateryn Parr’s brother and brother in law were again involved in matters of the state and actually pulled off putting Lady Jane Grey on the throne for 9 days! Jane somehow outranked her own mother who was STILL alive and technically would have been the next heiress to the throne after Princesses Mary & Elizabeth. I never understood that. The Protestants feared the Catholic “Bloody Mary” (her nickname was started as Protestant propaganda, the pro Queen Elizabeth movement, lol) would try to return the country to the Pope and Catholicism. Mary was deeply religious. Kateryn Parr and Mary got on despite differences in matters like religion. Parr’s mother, Lady Maud, had served Mary’s own mother, Queen Katherine of Aragon, the first wife and crowned Queen consort to King Henry. The two women were pretty close. The Parrs backed Queen Katherine of Aragon when her lady in waiting became the Kings new obsession. Parr let Mary be and encouraged her every chance she could. One could argue she loved Mary more than Elizabeth. Heck, Kateryn named her only daughter and child, Mary, before the queen passed on 5 September 1548. Don’t think there were any other important Marys. The French Queen, Mary Tudor, had died long before Parr became Queen. Pretty sure it’s not after The Virgin Mary. Protestants aren’t that attached to her, right? I was raised Catholic, so I honestly don’t know. Anyway, Queen Kateryn Parr was VERY important. Read a book. She wasn’t an ex-queen. She remained Queen (consort) of England, Ireland, and France until she died. She was the LAST Tudor Queen Consort as King Edward died young. She was also the FIRST Queen of Ireland. Her funeral was the FIRST Protestant funeral for a Queen. Her mourner was none other than Lady Jane Grey, who would have probably stayed with Kateryn had the queen lived. Having Parr around seemed to pacify things. She knew how to handle tricky and dangerous situations. For Gods sake, she almost lost her head after she spoke with the King. It was overheard by the queens enemy, Bishop Gardiner, who saw an opportunity to “get rid” of Kateryn. I mean why not? He already KILLED TWO WIVES!! Lordy, so Gardiner tried to fuck with the Kings head. Saying shit like “it is a petty thing when a woman should instruct her husband” or some stupid sexist bs! Story goes, Kateryn was warned by an anonymous source who found her death warrant lying on the ground. YEAH RIGHT!! That’s straight up narcissistic abuse, my man!! Why do I feel like Henry set her up to test her loyalty? He was such a theatrical douche bag. No, no love for King Henry here. I have yet to see the film “Firebrand” which follows the reign of Kateryn as queen consort and queen Regente I believe. It’s based off Elizabeth Freemantle’s “Queen’s Gambit”. Anyway, Kateryn talked her way out of being arrested or worse by stroking the Kings ego and basically submitting to him just to fuvking survive. Imagine going through this marriage without psych meds like Benzos. I do believe they dabbled in potions however and she was known to “treat” melancholy with herbs from the gardens. Sudeley Castle where she is buried has a garden full of deadly herbs. Physic gardens. I have photos somewhere…

My page: Queen Catherine Parr

© 2024 Meg McGath. All research and original commentary belong to the author.